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Augustinus, In Joannis Evangelium tractatus LXXXV-CII

Tractates LXXXIX–XC

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essent persecutores piorum, utique et homicidas, et adulteros, et quoscumque maleficos, quos contra leges publicas fecisse cognoscerent, puniebant; quomodo intelligendum est quod ait Dominus, Si de mundo essetis, mundus quod suum erat diligeret (Joan. XV, 19). Neque enim quos punit diligit mundus, a quo videmus supra dicta scelerum genera plerumque puniri: nisi quia mundus est in eis a quibus talia scelera puniuntur, et mundus est in eis a quibus talia scelera diliguntur. Mundus itaque ille qui intelligitur in malis atque impiis, et odit quod suum est, ex ea parte hominum qua sceleratis nocet; et diligit quod suum est, ex ea parte hominum qua eisdem ipsis consceleratis favet. Ergo, Haec omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, vel ita dictum est, propter quod vos patimini; vel ita, propter quod et ipsi faciunt: quia et hoc in vobis dum persequuntur, oderunt. Et addidit: Quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. Hoc secundum eam scientiam dictum intelligendum est, de qua et alibi scriptum est, Scire autem te, sensus est consummatus (Sap. VI, 16). Hac quippe scientia qui sciunt Patrem a quo missus est Christus, nullo modo persequuntur eos quos colligit Christus; quia et ipsi cum eis colliguntur a Christo.
were persecutors of the godly, they surely also punished murderers, and adulterers, and whatever evildoers they found to have acted against the public laws; how then is what the Lord says to be understood, If you were of the world, the world would love what was its own (John 15:19)? For the world does not love those whom it punishes, by which we see the kinds of crime mentioned above generally punished: unless it is because the world is in those by whom such crimes are punished, and the world is in those by whom such crimes are loved. So that world which is understood in the wicked and ungodly both hates what is its own, in that part of men by which it harms the criminals; and loves what is its own, in that part of men by which it favours those very same partners in crime. Therefore, All these things they will do to you for My name's sake, was said either thus, on account of that for which you suffer; or thus, on account of that for which they themselves also act: because they hate this too in you while they persecute you. And He added: Because they do not know Him Who sent Me. This is to be understood as said according to that knowledge of which it is also written elsewhere, But to know Thee is perfect understanding (Wis. 6:16). For those who with this knowledge know the Father by Whom Christ was sent in no way persecute those whom Christ gathers; because they themselves too are gathered together with them by Christ.
TRACTATUS LXXXIX. De eo quod dicit Dominus, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem; usque ad id, Qui me odit, et Patrem meum odit. Cap. XV, ℣℣. 22, 23.
Tractate 89. On what the Lord says, If I had not come and spoken to them; as far as this, He who hates Me hates My Father also. Chap. 15, vv. 22, 23.
1. Superius dixerat Dominus ad discipulos suos: Si me persecuti sunt, et vos persequentur; si sermonem meum servaverunt, et vestrum servabunt: sed haec omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. De quibus autem hoc dixerit si quaeramus, invenimus eum ad haec verba venisse ab eo quod dixerat, Si mundus vos odit, scitote quia me priorem vobis odio habuit: nunc vero quod addidit, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent, Judaeos ostendit expressius. De his ergo et illa dicebat; nam hoc indicat verborum ipsa contextio. De his enim dicit, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent, de quibus dicebat, Si me persecuti sunt, et vos persequentur; si sermonem meum servaverunt, et vestrum servabunt: sed haec omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me: his enim verbis et ista subjungit, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent. Judaei ergo persecuti sunt Christum, quod evidentissime indicat Evangelium; Judaeis locutus est Christus, non aliis gentibus: in eis ergo voluit intelligi mundum, qui odit Christum et discipulos ejus; imo vero non in eis solis, sed hos quoque ad eumdem mundum pertinere monstravit. Quid est ergo, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent? Numquid sine peccato erant Judaei, antequam Christus ad eos in carne venisset? Quis hoc vel stultissimus dixerit? Sed magnum quoddam peccatum, non omne peccatum, quasi sub generali nomine vult intelligi. Hoc est enim peccatum quo tenentur cuncta peccata, quod
1. Earlier the Lord had said to His disciples: If they have persecuted Me, they will persecute you also; if they have kept My word, they will keep yours also: but all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him Who sent Me. But if we ask of whom He said this, we find that He came to these words from what He had said, If the world hates you, know that it has held Me in hatred before you: but now, by what He added, If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, He points out the Jews more expressly. Of them, therefore, He was saying those things too; for the very connection of the words shows this. For He says, If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, of those of whom He was saying, If they have persecuted Me, they will persecute you also; if they have kept My word, they will keep yours also: but all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him Who sent Me: for to these words He also joins these, If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin. The Jews, therefore, persecuted Christ, as the Gospel most evidently shows; to the Jews Christ spoke, not to other nations: in them, therefore, He wished the world to be understood which hates Christ and His disciples; nay rather, not in them alone, but He showed that these too belong to the same world. What then is, If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin? Were the Jews without sin before Christ came to them in the flesh? Who, even the most foolish, would say this? But He wishes a certain great sin, not every sin, to be understood as if under a general name. For this is the sin by which all sins are held, which
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unusquisque si non habeat, dimittuntur ei cuncta peccata: hoc est autem, quia non crediderunt in Christum, qui propterea venit ut credatur in eum. Hoc peccatum, si non venisset, non utique haberent. Adventus quippe ejus quantum credentibus salutaris, tantum non credentibus exitiabilis factus est: tanquam et ipse caput et princeps Apostolorum, quod de se ipsi dixerunt, exstiterit quibusdam quidem odor vitae in vitam, quibusdam vero odor mortis in mortem (II Cor. II, 16).
each one, if he does not have it, all his sins are forgiven him: and this is that they did not believe in Christ, Who came for this very reason, that He might be believed in. This sin, had He not come, they would certainly not have. For His coming, as much as it was saving for those who believe, so much did it become deadly for those who do not believe: as though He Himself, the head and prince of the Apostles, proved to be what they said of themselves, to some indeed the odour of life unto life, but to others the odour of death unto death (2 Cor. 2:16).
2. Sed quod adjunxit, atque ait, Nunc autem excusationem non habent de peccato suo, potest movere quaerentes, utrum hi ad quos non venit Christus, nec locutus est eis, habeant excusationem de peccato suo. Si enim non habent, cur hic dictum est propterea istos non habere, quia venit et locutus est eis? Si autem habent, utrum ad hoc habeant ut a poenis alienentur, an ut mitius puniantur? Ad haec inquisita pro meo captu, Domino donante, respondeo, habere illos excusationem, non de omni peccato suo, sed de hoc peccato quo in Christum non crediderunt, ad quos non venit, et quibus non est locutus. Sed non in eo sunt numero hi ad quos in discipulis venit, et quibus per discipulos est locutus, quod et nunc facit: nam per Ecclesiam suam venit ad Gentes, et per Ecclesiam loquitur Gentibus. Ad hoc enim pertinet quod ait, Qui vos recipit, me recipit (Matth. X, 40): et, Qui vos spernit, me spernit (Luc. X, 16). An vultis, inquit apostolus Paulus, experimentum accipere ejus qui in me loquitur Christus (II Cor. XIII, 3)?
2. But what He added, saying, But now they have no excuse for their sin, may move those who inquire whether those to whom Christ has not come, nor spoken to them, have an excuse for their sin. For if they do not have one, why is it said here that these do not have one for the reason that He came and spoke to them? But if they do have one, do they have it to this end, that they be freed from punishments, or that they be punished more mildly? To these questions I answer according to my capacity, the Lord granting it, that they have an excuse, not for every sin of theirs, but for this sin by which they did not believe in Christ, those to whom He did not come and to whom He did not speak. But those are not in that number to whom He came in His disciples, and to whom He spoke through His disciples, which He is also doing now: for through His Church He has come to the Gentiles, and through His Church He speaks to the Gentiles. For to this pertains what He says, He who receives you receives Me (Matt. 10:40); and, He who despises you despises Me (Luke 10:16). Or do you wish, says the apostle Paul, to receive proof of Him Who speaks in me, Christ (2 Cor. 13:3)?
3. Restat inquirere utrum hi qui priusquam Christus in Ecclesia veniret ad Gentes, et priusquam Evangelium ejus audirent, vitae hujus fine praeventi sunt, seu praeveniuntur, possint habere hanc excusationem? Possunt plane, sed non ideo possunt effugere damnationem. Quicumque enim sine Lege peccaverunt, sine Lege et peribunt: et quicumque in Lege peccaverunt, per Legem judicabuntur (Rom. II, 12). Quae quidem Apostoli verba, quoniam id quod ait, peribunt, terribilius sonat quam quod ait, judicabuntur; non solum nihil adjuvare hanc excusationem videntur ostendere, verum etiam plus gravare. Qui enim se quia non audierunt, excusabunt, sine Lege peribunt.
3. It remains to inquire whether those who, before Christ came to the Gentiles in the Church and before they heard His Gospel, were overtaken, or are being overtaken, by the end of this life, can have this excuse. They plainly can, but they cannot on that account escape condemnation. For whoever have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and whoever have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law (Rom. 2:12). These words of the Apostle indeed, since what he says, they will perish, sounds more terrible than what he says, they will be judged, seem to show not only that they do nothing to help this excuse, but even that they weigh it down further. For those who will excuse themselves because they have not heard will perish without the Law.
4. Sed utrum hi qui cum audirent, contempserunt, vel etiam restiterunt, nec tantum contradicendo, sed et eos a quibus audierunt odiis persequendo, in eis deputandi sunt de quibus aliquid levius videtur sonuisse quod dictum est, per Legem judicabuntur, merito quaeritur. Sed si aliud est perire sine Lege, aliud judicari per Legem, et illud est gravius, hoc autem levius; procul dubio non sunt isti in hac poena leviore ponendi; quia neque in Lege peccaverunt, sed omnino Legem Christi accipere noluerunt, et eam quantum ad ipsos attinet, omnino nullam esse voluerunt. Illi autem peccant in Lege, qui sunt in Lege, id est, qui eam suscipiunt, eamque sanctam, et mandatum sanctum et justum et bonum fatentur (Id. VII, 12); sed infirmitate non implent quod ab ea rectissime praecipi dubitare nou possunt. Hi sunt qui
4. But whether those who, when they heard, despised it, or even resisted, not only by contradicting but also by persecuting with hatred those from whom they heard it, are to be counted among those of whom what was said, they will be judged by the Law, seems to have sounded something lighter, is rightly asked. But if it is one thing to perish without the Law and another to be judged by the Law, and the former is heavier, the latter lighter, beyond doubt these are not to be placed in this lighter punishment; for they did not sin in the Law, but utterly refused to receive the Law of Christ, and, as far as it concerned them, willed that it should not exist at all. But those sin in the Law who are in the Law, that is, who accept it and confess it holy, and the commandment holy and just and good (Rom. 7:12); but through weakness they do not fulfil what they cannot doubt is most rightly commanded by it. These are they who
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aliquo modo forsitan possunt ab eorum, qui sine Lege sunt, perditione discerni: si tamen quod Apostolus ait, per Legem judicabuntur, sic accipiendum est tanquam dixerit, non peribunt; quod mirum si ita est. Neque enim de infidelibus et fidelibus erat sermo ut hoc diceret, sed de Gentibus et Judaeis: qui certe utrique nisi in eo Salvatore salventur, qui venit quaerere quod perierat (Luc. XIX, 10), ad perditionem sine dubio pertinebunt. Quamvis dici possit, alios gravius, alios levius perituros, id est, alios graviores, alios leviores poenas in sua perditio⟨n⟩e passuros. Ille enim perire Deo dicitur, quisquis ab illa beatitudine quam dat sanctis suis, per supplicium separatur: tanta est autem suppliciorum, quanta est diversitas peccatorum; quae quomodo se habeat, altius judicat sapientia divina, quam conjectura scrutatur aut effatur humana. Isti certe ad quos venit, et quibus locutus est Christus, non habent de magno infidelitatis peccato illam excusationem, qua possint dicere, Non vidimus, non audivimus: sive non acceptaretur ista excusatio ab illo cujus inscrutabilia sunt judicia, sive acceptaretur, et si non ut ab omni damnatione liberarentur, certe ut aliquanto lenius damnarentur.
can in some way perhaps be distinguished from the perdition of those who are without the Law: if, however, what the Apostle says, they will be judged by the Law, is to be taken as though he had said, they will not perish; which would be surprising if it is so. For his discourse was not about unbelievers and believers, so that he should say this, but about Gentiles and Jews: and both of these, unless they are saved in that Saviour Who came to seek what had been lost (Luke 19:10), will without doubt belong to perdition. Although it may be said that some will perish more grievously, others more lightly, that is, that some will suffer heavier, others lighter punishments in their perdition. For whoever is separated through punishment from that blessedness which God gives to His saints is said to perish to God: and the diversity of punishments is as great as the diversity of sins; and how this stands, divine wisdom judges more deeply than human conjecture investigates or declares. Certainly those to whom Christ came, and to whom He spoke, do not have, concerning the great sin of unbelief, that excuse by which they could say, We have not seen, we have not heard: whether that excuse would not be accepted by Him Whose judgements are inscrutable, or whether it would be accepted, if not so that they might be freed from all damnation, then certainly so that they might be damned somewhat more leniently.
5. Qui me odit, inquit, et Patrem meum odit. Hic nobis fortasse dicatur: Quis potest odisse quem nescit? Et utique antequam diceret, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent, dixerat discipulis suis, Haec facient vobis, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. Quomodo ergo nesciunt et oderunt? Si enim non quod est ipse, sed nescio quid aliud de illo opinantur; non utique ipsum, sed illud inveniuntur odisse quod fingunt, aut errando potius suspicantur. Et tamen nisi possent homines odisse quod nesciunt, non veritas utrumque dixisset, quia ejus Patrem et nesciunt et oderunt. Sed quomodo id fieri possit, si adjuvante Domino per nos demonstrari potest; quia haec disputatio est jam claudenda, nunc non potest.
5. He who hates Me, He says, hates My Father also. Here it may perhaps be said to us: Who can hate one whom he does not know? And indeed, before He said, If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, He had said to His disciples, These things they will do to you, because they do not know Him Who sent Me. How then do they not know and yet hate? For if they think not what He Himself is, but something or other else about Him, then they are found to hate not Him Himself, but that which they invent, or rather suspect through erring. And yet, unless men could hate what they do not know, the Truth would not have said both things, namely that they both do not know and hate His Father. But how this can come about, if with the Lord's help it can be shown by us, cannot be shown now, because this discussion must now be closed.
TRACTATUS XC. In illud, Qui me odit, et Patrem meum odit. Cap. XV, ℣. 23.
Tractate 90. On the words, He who hates Me, hates My Father also. Chapter 15, verse 23.
1. Audistis Dominum dicentem, Qui me odit, et Patrem meum odit; qui superius dixerat, Haec facient vobis, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. Non itaque dissimulanda nascitur quaestio, quomodo possint odisse quem nesciunt. Si enim Deum non quod est ipse, sed nescio quid aliud eum suspicantur aut credunt, et hoc oderunt; utique non ipsum oderu⟨n⟩t, sed quod sua mendaci suspicione vel vana credulitate concipiunt: si autem quod est, hoc de illo sentiunt, quomodo eum nescire dicuntur? Et de hominibus quidem fieri potest ut eos saepe quos nunquam vidimus, diligamus; ac per hoc nec illud a contrario impossibile est, ut eos quos nunquam vidimus, oderimus. Fama quippe de aliquo sermocinante seu bene seu male, fit non immerito ut amemus vel oderimus ignotum. Sed si fama sit verax, quomodo est de quo vera didicimus, dicendus ignotus? An quia ejus faciem non vidimus? Quam cum et ipse non videat, nulli tamen
1. You have heard the Lord saying, He who hates Me, hates My Father also; He Who had said above, These things they will do to you, because they do not know Him Who sent Me. Thus there arises a question that must not be passed over, how they can hate one whom they do not know. For if they suspect or believe God to be not what He Himself is, but something or other else, and hate this, then certainly they do not hate Him Himself, but what they conceive by their own lying suspicion or vain credulity: but if they think of Him that which He is, how are they said not to know Him? And indeed with regard to men it can happen that we often love those whom we have never seen; and for this reason the converse is not impossible either, that we should hate those whom we have never seen. For when report speaks of someone, whether well or ill, it comes about not undeservedly that we love or hate one unknown. But if the report is truthful, how is he of whom we have learnt true things to be called unknown? Is it because we have not seen his face? Yet since he himself does not see it either, to no one, however,
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potest notior esse quam sibi. Non igitur in ejus facie corporali nobis intimatur cujusque notitia. Sed tunc nobis ad cognitionem patet, quando ejus mores et vita non latet. Alioquin nec seipsum nosse quisquam potest, qui videre faciem suam non potest. Sed utique tanto certius quam notus est aliis ipse se novit, quanto certius interiore conspectu potest videre quod sapit, videre quod cupit, videre quod vivit: quae cum aperiuntur et nobis, tunc vere fit cognitus nobis. Haec itaque quoniam plerumque ad nos de absentibus vel etiam mortuis, sive fama, sive litteris perferuntur; hinc fit ut saepe quos nunquam facie corporis vidimus (non tamen quos omnino nescimus), vel oderimus homines, vel amemus.
can he be better known than to himself. Therefore the knowledge of each person is not conveyed to us in his bodily face. Rather, he lies open to our knowledge when his character and life are not hidden. Otherwise no one could know even himself, since he cannot see his own face. But surely he knows himself so much more certainly than he is known to others, as he can more certainly see with his inward sight what he thinks, see what he desires, see how he lives: and when these things are disclosed to us also, then he truly becomes known to us. Since, then, these things are mostly brought to us concerning those who are absent or even dead, whether by report or by writings, hence it happens that we often either hate or love men whom we have never seen in bodily face (yet not men whom we do not know at all).
2. Sed plerumque in eis nostra credulitas fallitur; quia nonnunquam et historia, et multo magis fama mentitur. Pertinet autem ad nos ne perniciosa opinione fallamur, ut quia non possumus hominum indagare conscientiam, de ipsis rebus habeamus veram certamque sententiam. Hoc est, ut si ille vel ille homo utrum sit impudicus pudicusve nescimus, oderimus tamen impudicitiam, et pudicitiam diligamus: et si illum vel illum injustum esse justumve nescimus, amemus tamen jus⟨t⟩itiam, et injustitiam detestemur; non quas nobis ipsi errando confingimus, sed quas fideliter, hanc appetendam, illamque vitandam in Dei veritate conspicimus: ut cum de ipsis rebus quod appetendum est appetimus, quod devitandum est devitamus, ignoscatur nobis quod de occultis hominum aliquando, imo assidue non vera sentimus. Hoc enim ad humanam tentati⟨o⟩nem pertinere arbitror, sine qua duci ista non potest vita, ita ut Apostolus diceret, Tentatio vos non apprehendat nisi humana (I Cor. X, 13). Quid enim tam humanum quam non posse inspicere cor humanum; et ideo non ejus latebras perscrutari, sed plerumque aliud quam id quod ibi agitur suspicari? Quanquam et in his rerum tenebris humanarum, hoc est cogitationum alienarum, etsi suspiciones intelligere non possumus, quia homines sumus; judicia tamen, id est, definitas firmasque sententias continere debemus, nec ante tempus quidquam judicare, donec veniat Dominus, et illuminet abscondita tenebrarum, et manifestet cogitationes cordis; et tunc laus erit unicuique a Deo (Id. IV, 5). Quando ergo non erratur in rebus, ut recta sit improbatio vitiorum virtutumque probatio; profecto si erratur in hominibus, venialis est humana tentatio.
2. But often our credulity is deceived in their regard, because sometimes history, and much more often report, tells lies. It concerns us, however, not to be deceived by a pernicious opinion, so that, since we cannot search out the conscience of men, we may hold a true and certain judgement about the things themselves. That is, if we do not know whether this or that man is unchaste or chaste, let us nevertheless hate unchastity and love chastity; and if we do not know whether this or that man is unjust or just, let us nevertheless love justice and detest injustice; not such as we ourselves invent for ourselves by erring, but such as we faithfully behold in the truth of God, the one to be sought, the other to be shunned: so that, when concerning the things themselves we seek what is to be sought and shun what is to be shunned, we may be pardoned for sometimes, nay constantly, thinking untrue things about the hidden matters of men. For this I judge to belong to human temptation, without which this life cannot be led, so that the Apostle said, Let no temptation seize you but what is human (1 Cor. 10:13). For what is so human as to be unable to look into the human heart, and therefore not to search out its hiding places, but often to suspect something other than what is going on there? And yet even in these darknesses of human things, that is, of the thoughts of others, although we cannot understand suspicions, because we are men, we ought nevertheless to restrain judgements, that is, definite and firm verdicts, and not to judge anything before the time, until the Lord comes and lights up the hidden things of darkness and makes manifest the thoughts of the heart; and then each one will have praise from God (ibid. 4:5). When, therefore, there is no error about things, so that the disapproval of vices and the approval of virtues is right, then surely, if there is error about men, human temptation is pardonable.
3. Per has autem humanorum cordium tenebras, res multum miranda et multum dolenda contingit, ut eum nonnunquam quem injustum putamus, et tamen justus est et justitiam in eo nescientes diligimus, devitemus, aversemur, a nostro prohibeamus accessu, communem cum illo vitam victumque habere nolimus; eumque etiam, si disciplinae imponendae necessitas cogit, sive ne aliis noceat, sive ut fiat ipse correctior, asperitate salubri persequamur; et hominem bonum tanquam malum affligamus, quem nescientes amamus. Hoc fit, si quis, verbi gratia,
3. Through these darknesses of human hearts, however, a thing much to be wondered at and much to be lamented comes about: that sometimes the man whom we think unjust, while yet he is just and we love the justice in him without knowing it, we shun, turn away from, bar from approaching us, and refuse to share life and table with him; and even, if the need to impose discipline compels, whether so that he may not harm others or so that he himself may become more upright, we pursue him with wholesome severity; and we afflict a good man as if he were bad, whom we love without knowing it. This happens if someone, for example,
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Mss. octo, scientiam.

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